Notre Dame Kelly on NBC interview: Execution grade is C

Big day for Notre Dame. Plenty of visitors in town.

ESPN GameDay is doing its show live in South Bend. NBC also brought its studio crew of Liam McHugh, Doug Flutie, and Hines Ward to town for its coverage of the Irish-Stanford game.

Meanwhile, Notre Dame coach Brian Kelly is doing his best not to let himself or the team get caught up in the hoopla.

During an interview, McHugh asked Kelly to grade his team. He said:  “On toughness I give them an A. On execution and fundamentals a C.”

When asked if he is OK with all the “noise” around their great season, Kelly said as long as there is an “atmosphere of success,” he is fine with people beating the drum.

The beat could get louder with a win today.

 

Back to Brooklyn: Telander visits with Albert King and Fly Williams in new Sports Illustrated show

Want to give a shout out to old friend Rick Telander. A long time ago, he wrote a classic book, Heaven is a Playground, about the culture of basketball in the rough streets of New York.

Now with Brooklyn serving as the new home for the Nets, Telander, a columnist for the Chicago Sun-Times, tracked down two playground legends, Albert King and Fly Williams.

His story will be showcased on the latest edition of Sports Illustrated Saturday at 1:30 ET on NBC.

From SI:

As the NBA season approaches, the spotlight may shine brightest on Brooklyn, NY when the Nets open in the new Barclays Center. SI contributor Rick Telander heads to the borough for a closer look at its legendary street ball culture. He speaks with two of the all-time playground legends Albert King and “Fly” Williams. The pair represent the dichotomy of the Brooklyn basketball story. King went on to collegiate and NBA stardom. Williams became one of many who fell victim to the drug culture. Williams says “I got a taste of that money and I didn’t know how to live no more unless I had that type of money. So what was left for me was the streets.”

The show also features segments on Dale Earnhardt Jr., kickers and unsung postseason heroes in baseball.

From SI:

“I felt this responsibility to deliver… that I wasn’t doing my part.,” Dale Earnhardt Jr. tells Sports Illustrated senior writer Lars Anderson in a rare one-on-one interview. Anderson sat down with Earnhardt Jr. prior to Earnhardt’s accident at Talladega Superspeedway where he suffered a concussion and will miss the next two Sprint Cup races. The interview covered the driver’s transformation from racing’s most popular star who hadn’t won a race in 143 starts to competing for the Sprint Cup. You’ll hear from Earnhardt on his renewed approach to the 2012 season, the responsibility he feels to his fans to perform on a high level and how he remembers his father today.

The new episode of “Sports Illustrated” on NBC presented by Lexus debuts Saturday, October 13, 1:30 p.m. on NBC. As a preview to the show, SI’s Lars Anderson and Lee Jenkins will participate in a Google+ Hangout, moderated by NBC’s Erik Kuselias, on Friday, October 12 beginning at noon ET. Anderson and Jenkins will discuss their segments, and offer viewers an opportunity to ask questions about each of the stories. Visit: (https://plus.Google.com/+SportsIllustrated) to join the conversation.

Also featured on “Sports Illustrated” is “Confederacy of Kickers” – an exploration of the intense world of college field goal kickers, a place where dreams are made and lives are crushed, SI senior writer Lee Jenkins reports. You’ll hear from Philip Brabbs whose first career field goal (after two misses) was one of the biggest in Michigan football history; Florida State’s Dan Mowrey whose missed 39-yard game-tying attempt against then No. 2 Miami was dubbed ‘Wide Right II” and Oregon State’s Alexis Serna who missed a game-tying extra point in OT against then No. 3 LSU costing his team a major upset. Serna went on to successfully convert his next 144 PATs, a Pac-12 record. Says Mowrey on the fateful kick: “I remember striking the ball and before I even picked my head up – you hear people talk about getting in an accident and seeing your life flash before your eyes – I’m thinking what the?… What have I just done?…. My brain kinda just shut down for a moment.”

Finally, SI senior writer Tom Verducci talks about unlikely October baseball heroes: 1992 Blue Jays’ C Pat Borders; the 1969 NY “Miracle” Mets infielder Al Weis; the 1956 Yankees’ Pitcher Don Larsen and Verducci’s personal favorite Billy Bates – a late season call up of the 1990 Cincinnati Reds. Bates had just six regular season hits but found himself in Game 2 of the World Series and down 0-2 in the count against dominant A’s closer Dennis Eckersley. He smacked an infield hit and eventually scored the game-winning run. The Reds went on the win the Series. Bates never played another game in the majors.

 

 

A.J. Pierzynski joins Fox for NLCS, World Series; Andrews also part of coverage

The White Sox catcher is coming off a career with 27 homers and 77 RBIs. But he’s also 35 and obviously thinking of his second career.

This is Pierzynski’s second time with this assignment. So obviously Fox sees something it likes in him.

Meanwhile, Erin Andrews will be making her baseball postseason debut for Fox.

From Fox:

Known around MLB clubhouses as one of the league’s most outspoken and fiery players, Chicago White Sox catcher and World Series winner A.J. Pierzynski rejoins FOX Sports as a pregame and postgame analyst for coverage of the 2012 National League Championship Series and World Series. This year is Pierzynski’s second-straight as an analyst for the network. The announcement was made today by John Entz, Executive Vice President & Executive Producer, FOX Sports Media Group.

In 30 career postseason games, Pierzynski has a .300 batting average with 30 hits, including five doubles and five home runs with 17 RBI and 16 runs scored. In 2012, his 15th Major League season Pierzynski hit a career-high 27 home runs and matched a career high with 77 runs batted in.

FOX Sports and MLB Network continue their pregame collaboration into October to bring fans the most complete postseason coverage. Pierzynski joins longtime FOX Sports and MLB Network broadcaster Matt Vasgersian alongside the insightful analysis of FOX Sports’ Eric Karros and MLB Network’s Harold Reynolds. Pregame and postgame coverage for the 2012 NLCS on FOX originates from MLB Network’s state-of-the-art studios in Secaucus, NJ and from the game site for the all World Series games.

Making her MLB on FOX postseason debut, Erin Andrews joins FOX Sports’ coverage beginning with NLCS Game 1 onSunday, Oct. 14 (8:00 PM ET.) She serves as a field reporter for each game alongside MLB on FOX and FOXSports.com senior MLB writer Ken Rosenthal. Andrews made her first appearance after joining FOX Sports in July as a reporter for the MLB All-Star Game. She also worked on ESPN’s Major League Baseball regular season and Division Series broadcasts and while at TBS from 2002 – 04, served as a studio host for the Atlanta Braves.

The Emmy Award–winning MLB on FOX team of play-by-play announcer Joe Buck and analyst Tim McCarver call all of the on-field NLCS and World Series action on FOX. Buck, a seven-time Emmy Award winner, and McCarver, the 2012 Ford C. Frick Award recipient from the Baseball Hall of Fame, are working their 17th straight postseason together. McCarver is the only network baseball analyst to broadcast the last 28 regular seasons and postseasons.

 

 

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Baseball or Smilin’ Joe? Ratings hold steady for Yankees-Orioles; surge after VP debate

What to watch?

Last night’s buffet table was full. Two big baseball games and a decent football game on NFL Network.

Ultimately, I chose the VP debate. I mean, this might be the last time we get to see “Smilin’ Joe Biden in that format. All I can say, I can’t wait to see the take from Saturday Night Live. Should be classic.

It was interesting to see how the debate impacted the ratings for the baseball game. From 7:30-9 p.m. ET, Yankees-Orioles did a 4.1 rating on TBS. It dipped only slightly to 4.0 during the debate from 9-10:30 p.m.

Then once the Biden show finished, many viewers ditched Wolf Blitzer and Chris Matthews and switched to the game. The rating from 10:30-12:15 a.m. was 5.4, up 35 percent. All told, the game did a 4.6 rating, impressive given the competition.

Baseball even beat football. The Pittsburgh-Tennessee game did a 4.4 overnight rating on NFL Network.

 

 

 

Author Q/A: SI’s Mark Beech’s book on Army’s last great team and legendary coach Red Blaik

It’s been a long time since Army was relevant in college football beyond its annual game with Navy. As in basically, my entire lifetime. Army’s last great season was 1958. I was born in 1959.

However, back in the ’40s, Army was Alabama and Red Blaik was Nick Saban; Blaik even helped groom a young assistant named Vince Lombardi.

The Black Knights ruled the game. Then after sliding a bit in the early 50s, Army and Blaik had a final blast of glory.

Sports Illustrated’s Mark Beech documents it all in a new book When Saturday Mattered Most: The Last Golden Season of Army Football. Army went 8-0-1 in 1958 with Pete Dawkins winning the Heisman Trophy, and “The Lonesome End” becoming the stuff of legend.

Blaik is at the centerpiece of this story. A confidant of  Gen. Douglas MacArthur, the coach was a complex man. He ultimately decided to retire after the ’58 season. Army never reached those heights again.

Beech captures all the layers of the coach and what it was like to play football for Army in his excellent new book. He was gracious enough to do a Q/A.

How did you get the idea for the book?

I have had this idea banging around in my head for years. My father graduated from West Point in 1959—he was classmates with the seniors on Army’s 1958 team, which was the last in West Point history to go undefeated and boast a Heisman-Trophy winner. It was really a magical year. I went to West Point myself, class of 1991, and the idea seemed to be sitting out there calling to me. I’m very lucky that there was a great untold story right in front of my face. Not every writer gets that.

My fascination with this team stems from the time I would spend as a kid poring over the pages in my father’s West Point yearbook, The Howitzer. This was in the 1970s, when Army football was mired in an especially unsuccessful period, and it was amazing to me that the Black Knights had been not just good when my father was a cadet, but truly great.

How big was Army football during the 50s?

It was still big, though not as much of a powerhouse as it was in the 1940s, when coach Red Blaik led the Cadets to five undefeated seasons, two outright national championships and a disputed third title. In the ’50s, Army was regularly ranked, but usually around the margins of the top 10, at best. By 1958 it had been a long time since they had been undefeated and a contender for the national championship.

Red Blaik was a complex guy. And he had this relationship with Gen. Douglas MacArthur. How would you describe him for people who haven’t heard of him?

Complex is a pretty good start. He was austere and aloof. He rarely ever spoke to his players, and when he did, he almost always addressed them by their last names.

He was a beast at preparation and practice. The cadets on his team were only available for drills two hours out of every day, so Blaik kept his sessions tightly organized and very detailed. The Army playbook was not big. Blaik chose to rely on a small number of highly effective plays that he would practice to perfection. He was also passionately devoted to film study, breaking down game footage with his assistants endlessly, searching for any advantage. It’s fair to say he won most of his games before Army ever took the field on Saturday.

He was also a coach of coaches. Twenty-two men who worked for him at West Point went on to lead programs at the collegiate and professional level, including Sid Gillman and Vince Lombardi, two men who were integral in shaping the modern NFL. Lombardi, in particular, was an acolyte of “the colonel’s,” and rarely missed an opportunity to tell people that all he knew about organizing and preparing a team to win he learned from Red Blaik. The influence on Lombardi is especially evident in the way the Packers used to endlessly drill the famous Packers Sweep.

Blaik was also controversial—a fact that remains true even today. Rightly or wrongly, he was blamed by many at West Point for the 1951 cheating scandal, which the evidence shows probably began within his own team. Among the 90 cadets who were expelled from West Point in the wake of the scandal were 37 members of Blaik’s varsity team, including his own son, Bob, due to be the Black Knights’ starting quarterback that fall. The incident remained a bitter pill for Blaik for the rest of his long life, and he only stayed on as the coach at West Point at the urging of his idol, Douglas MacArthur, who told him, “Don’t leave under fire.” Blaik didn’t, and with the 1958 season, he restored Army to what he saw as its rightful place atop the college football heap. He retired after that season, but the acrimony and bitterness remained. Even today, there is controversy at the academy any time there is a move to honor his legacy at West Point.

Would he be able to succeed in today’s environment?

Without question. Blaik was not an innovator—his exploits with the Lonely End offense in 1958 aside—but he was thoroughly aware of movements and trends within the game. He never counted himself a great game coach, and there is some evidence to back up that assessment, but his devotion to preparation and study would ensure his success. I don’t have any doubts on this point.

What was it like talking to some of the former players, many of whom went on to lead interesting lives? How did playing for Army and Blaik shape them?

Bill Carpenter, the Lonely End himself, said that every important lesson he learned at West Point, he learned out on the football field. Carpenter is a fascinating character, a genuine hero and a soldier’s soldier. He’s really worthy of a biography himself, though he told me several times during our interview that if I was trying to undertake such project, our communications would be terminated. He lives at a far remove from most of the rest of his teammates, in a log cabin in Whitefish, Montana, where he retired after he left the army in 1992. He dubbed his house, “The Lonesome End,” and it really fits.

Pete Dawkins, the halfback who won the Heisman Trophy in 1958, has never stopped living a life of remarkable achievement. There’s been so much written about him that when we met for an interview two summers ago I told him that I only wanted to talk to him about football—there were more than enough resources to help me reconstruct his life story! Like the rest of his teammates, he was devoted to Red Blaik. The coach valued Dawkins not just for his abilities as a receiver (he averaged over 30 yards a catch in ’58!) and his determined running, but also for his ability to see the whole field and dissect the game as it was happening. Dawkins, a Rhodes Scholar, is extremely smart and perceptive, and it’s no surprise that he is the one who called audibles at crucial moment during the victories over both Notre Dame and Rice. Talking football with him was one of the most fascinating conversations of my life.

Will we ever see another Army team like the one in ’58?

Unfortunately for myself and other old grads, no. Current Army coach Rich Ellerson has said that his goal for the Black Knights is to be consistently good and occasionally great. And I think that is a very realistic and ideal goal. He’s talking about finishing above .500 most years, and maybe someday winning 10 games or more. If Army does reach something like 10 or even 11 wins, the best ranking I think they could hope to achieve is something around the margins of the top 20. They’ll never again be No. 1, as they were for about three weeks after they beat the Fighting Irish in 1958. Those days are gone. The same kind of guy still goes to West Point to play football at Army as in 1958—a driven, duty-conscious kid who’s interested in a challenge and in being part of something bigger than just a football team. But because of the pull of professional football, the same kind of athlete does not go to West Point, which requires five years of service in the army after graduation.

Anything else?

Only other thing I can think to add is what a sensation the Lonely End was in 1958. Beyond the mystery of why Carpenter never returned to the huddle and how he knew what play to run, it was just a devastatingly effective weapon. Army transformed from a ground-and-pound team—columnist Red Smith described Red Blaik as “the high priest of the overland game”— into a air-raiding juggernaut. The Black Knights actually led the country in passing offense in 1958. Though the offense never again caught on, we can see its lasting influence today in a defensive adjustment that has become a major part of pro football: the inverted safety. Essentially, an inverted safety is one who plays in the flat, just off the line of scrimmage and between the offensive line and the wide receivers. Think Troy Polamalu of the Pittsburgh Steelers, who has made a living playing in the flat and either dropping into coverage or rushing into the backfield for a sack. Before Bill Carpenter split wide in 1958, nobody had ever seen that.

*****

To here more from Beech, here’s the link to a podcast he did with SI’s Richard Deitsch.

 

 

Beano Cook dies; Truly unique character with passion for all things college football

He was a favorite.

From ESPN:

Longtime ESPN college football commentator Carroll H. “Beano” Cook – known as much for his caustic wit as for his encyclopedic knowledge of college football history – passed away in his sleep overnight at the age of 81 in Pittsburgh, Pa.

One of the sport’s most memorable commentators, Cook had appeared on ESPN as a college football studio analyst since 1985 after four years at ABC Sports. In addition to college football programming, SportsCenter and ESPNEWS on television, Cook was a fixture as a guest on ESPN Radio and had a popular podcast on ESPN.com.

“He was one of a kind,” said George Bodenheimer, ESPN executive chairman. “There never was and never will be another Beano. His combination of humor, passion, love of college football and his engaging personality left an indelible mark on the sport and touched anyone who knew him.”

Prior to ABC, Cook worked in public relations for CBS Sports from 1977-82. From 1974-77, he worked as sportswriter for the St. Petersburg Times, the director of public relations for the Miami Dolphins, public relations director for Mutual Radio Network, and toured with VISTA. From 1966-74, Cook served as ABC Sports NCAA press director.

Chris Fowler, Lee Corso and Ivan Maisel – three ESPN personalities who worked closely with Cook over his career at ESPN – provided the following memories:

Fowler: “Cook was an American original. His passion, depth and breadth of knowledge, and humor were unique. He was an invaluable early mentor to me and friend. His imprint can still be seen on GameDay each week.”

Corso: “Beano was a unique human being and he was college football at ESPN. I am indebted to him. Beano was a tremendous help at the start of my television career and I would not be where I am today without him. I am forever grateful to Beano and the time we spent behind the GameDay desk.”

Maisel: “Beano loved college football, and he had the encyclopedic memory to prove it. More than that, he loved people. He collected friends like some people collect stamps. People would say they don’t make them like Beano, because of his ability to be so quotable. But Beano was one-of-a-kind in his friendship. I think all of us who valued that quality in him are very, very sad.”

Cook will always be remembered for his sense of humor. Over his ESPN years, he gave many memorable quips, such as:

  • I’d like to do the last scoreboard show and then go. I don’t want to die in the middle of the football season. I have to know who’s No. 1 in the last polls. (1988)
  • The three things that mean the most to me in life are my parents, Casablanca and college football – not necessarily in that order. (1987)
  • You only have to bat a thousand in two things – flying and heart transplants. Everything else you can go four for five. (1988)
  • You’ll never have a 16-team playoff in college football. The most that could happen would be four teams in the next century. But after that, I’m dead, so who cares? (1992)
  • Colleges spend more money on the promotion of the Heisman than the Pentagon spends on toilets. (1990)
  • Argentina invaded the Falklands because they had ESPN and the Argentines wanted to get the late scores. (1986)
  • ESPN is like your family, it’s always there. The networks are like your mother-in-law. They are there on the weekends. (1988)
  • When they list the great thinks of the 20th Century, they’ll say, penicillin, Sophia Loren, jet travel and ESPN. (1992)
  • Known for his fear of flying, he would often point out that the first word you see at an airport is “terminal.”

Cook was graduated from the University of Pittsburgh in 1954 with a bachelor of arts degree. He also served 21 months in the Army, and upon his return, became his alma mater’s sports information director from 1956-1966.

Born September 1, 1931, Cook’s family moved from Boston to Pittsburgh when he was seven. One of his new friends gave him his nickname, “Beano.” Never married, he resided in Pittsburgh the rest of his life.

 

 

 

 

 

Sportswriter flaps: Student reporter feels heat from Weis, Kansas; LA Kings writer departs over lockout story

A couple of interesting stories involving sportswriters:

At Kansas, there is a bizarre story involving a reporter covering the football team for the student paper. It seems coach Charlie Weis isn’t a big fan. Also, he probably is more than a bit cranky about his 1-4 Jayhawks.

Romenesko.com reports:

University Daily Kansan sports reporter Blake Schuster says he was warned Tuesday by University of Kansas football communications director Katy Lonergan about asking questions at the weekly football press conference.

The reason: Coach Charlie Weis and his team are still miffed about last week’s newspaper cover art and story.

Later, Romenesko reports:

I wasn’t able to reach Lonergan by phone this afternoon, but she did  talk to Sports Radio 810 host Kevin Kietzman off the air and told him: “Coach Weis has been very patient with [the student reporter]. Other KU coaches I know would have obliterated him and humiliated him for asking dumb questions.”

Kietzman says he talked to Lonergan for 17 minutes. “She made one great decision” he adds. “She made a great decision in not coming on the air. She made a poor decision in saying I’ll talk to you on the record, because she couldn’t stop talking. And the farther she got into this thing, the weirder the conversation got as to why” the student reporter was warned about asking questions at the press conference.

Note to Kansas: You’ll never look good when you try to bully the student newspaper.

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Tom Hoffarth from the Los Angeles Daily News reports on why Rich Hammond left his job covering the Los Angeles Kings for the team’s website. He has since joined the Orange County Register.

From the story:

Hammond’s Sept. 17 post was a Q and A with the Kings’ Kevin Westgarth, the most visible of the team’s players as he worked with the NHL Players Association during Collective Bargaining Agreement talks. Westgarth was candid in his opinions about both sides of the negotiations.

“The league wanted the story taken down,” said Hammond, who stressed the Kings organization did not take issue with it. “Technically, they were saying that as a team employee, I had to abide by their rules of not discussing the lockout.”

The story remains posted (linked here) as discussions between the team and league continued. Still, Hammond wondered about maintaining the integrity of the blog if future restrictions or threats were ever put to him again.

In the meantime, he had renewed discussions from the Register about the USC beat and decided to take it, explaining only on his last post for the Kings’ blog (linked here) that “the timing and situation” was right for him to “move on . . . the decision is mine and the Kings in no way pushed or encouraged me to leave.” He said that during the lockout, he was not in danger of being laid off.

“It’s my choice, for a number of reasons,” he said. “I will leave on good terms.”

Hammond told the USC class that the team would have preferred he stayed but he “was not totally convinced the Kings could make (this situation) have a good ending.”

Probably not. Obviously, different rules apply for a team-owned website. Given his sentiments, Hammond is better off at the Register.

 

 

Can he do Berman? ESPN Sunday NFL Countdown signs on Caliendo

Frank Caliendo wasn’t on the NFL sidelines for long. I would love to see him do Ditka in front of Ditka.

From ESPN:

With a single move, ESPN has added more than 100 new voices to its roster.

Comedian and impressionist Frank Caliendo is joining ESPN’s Sunday NFL Countdown as a contributor.

His first appearance is this Sunday, Oct. 14 (10 a.m. ET) when he joins Chris Berman and company at the ESPN studios in Bristol, Conn.

“As a sports fan, ESPN has always been the place to be,” Caliendo said. “This network is why I graduated (from the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee) with a broadcasting degree in the first place — and now I finally get to use my degree!”

Caliendo will make a handful of other appearances on the three-hour pregame show during the regular season and playoffs, primarily in taped comedy segments.

“We have always admired Frank’s comedy, impressions and his NFL-centric humor,” said  ESPN’s Seth Markman, senior coordinating producer who oversees the network’s NFL studio shows. “He’s been working on some new material in anticipation of this opportunity which promises to be a great addition to Countdown and to our overall NFL presentation on ESPN.”

 

NBC Sports Network will feel pain of NHL lockout starting tonight; forced to air old DeNiro flick instead of hockey

If you’re a fan of old classic sports movies, you’re going to love the NHL lockout.

Tonight, instead of airing the scheduled hockey doubleheader that would have kicked off the season, NBC Sports Network will show The Fan, starring Robert DeNiro and Wesley Snipes. Not once, but twice.

Hey, wouldn’t Slap Shot have been more appropriate for what was supposed to be the NHL’s opening night?

In upcoming weeks, expect to see The Natural, Rocky, Rudy, and whatever else NBCSN can dig up in its vault.

The NHL stoppage (Note: Illustraton by Nate Beeler of Columbus Dispatch) couldn’t come at a worse time for NBCSN. After enjoying a terrific run during the Olympics, the network has had a dearth of live programming from Monday through Friday.

That would have changed with hockey starting. NBCSN is supposed to air games on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday nights, with Wednesday being exclusive. A Sunday night package returns after Jan. 1.

All told, NBC and NBCSN were scheduled to air more than 100 regular-season games. Obviously, that’s not going to be the case with the current labor situation.

How is NBCSN going to fill the void? Here’s the official comment:

“It’s unfortunate that the lockout is causing the cancellation of games from our schedule. In the interim, we have a large amount of quality live-event programming, including soccer, boxing, college hockey and college basketball, that will air in place of NHL games. We look forward to presenting the NHL to its fans as soon as the labor situation is resolved.”

Indeed, you can get your Pierre McGuire fix on Friday night. He and Dave Strader will be on call for the Ice Breaker Tournament in Kansas City Friday and Saturday. It features Notre Dame, Maine, Army and Nebraska-Omaha.

Technically, it’s hockey, but it’s not the same as what was on tap for Friday night: New York Rangers at Los Angeles, with the Stanley Cup banner being raised in the Staples Center.

The post-Olympics period hasn’t been kind to the NBCSN. John Ourand of Street & Smith’s Sports Business Journal reports ratings have hit “historic lows.” An August airing of Costas Live attracted only 40,000 viewers. Hard to believe.

NBCSN also failed to land a portion of the new Major League Baseball TV deal. Regardless of the costs, I thought the network needed baseball to boost its profile.

Usually, NBCSN could count on its old pal hockey, beginning in October. But thanks to Gary Bettman, owners and players, that window is closed for now.

While it has some replacement programming in place, it hardly has enough to fill the huge void.

For instance, instead of hockey on Monday, NBCSN will show highlights from the women’s gymastics team competition at the Olympics. On tape, naturally.